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Bursar
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Subject: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 13/09/2009 16:35:05
The trouble with the law is that it does not discrimate between private land to which the public has some reasonable expectation of access, such as the car park of a public house, and that to which they have no expectation of access at all, such as the front drive of your house.
I live in a block of flats, so my "front drive" is a car park with about 20 spaces, spread around the building. There are about 80 homes with parking rights on that land, and the only way of preventing non-residents from parking there is for the management company to retain the services of a clamping firm. Having had to park outside in the past because guests, or other non-residents, have parked inside, I have no sympathy at all with anyone who is clamped where I live. |
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jon_w
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Subject: Re: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 18/09/2009 11:16:08
I live in a block of flats and have a similar car parking around the building. Our building management company recently employed a car clamping company to patrol the car park. They sent permits to all the residents, but because i rent the flat my permit got sent to my landlord. The day I got sent my permit forwarded by the landlord I went to put it and had been clamped. I told the clamping guy this and he said I would have recieved the permit ages ago because it was date stamped for around 4 days previsouly. He said I would have to appeal.
I followed all the procedural appeal routes and waited the 30 days for my reply. I still didn't get one so had to chase the the company 5 or 6 times via e-mails and telephone calls. When I finally recieved my reply, it was a template letter and had the name of the flat complex wrong for a start and didn't even deal with my grounds for appeal. It was clearly a template they send to everyone. My appeal was refused stating that signs had been put up and I should have phoned the building management or clamping company when the signs went up. I think it's disgusting. I have spoken to my Landlord and building management company who say they are going to chase the matter up. But im £130 down and have no idea how to pursue the matter further, or whom to contact. The company I have dealt with have been completly abusive of their power |
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Private Property is Private
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Subject: Re: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 07/01/2010 20:55:46
I understand that there are some dodgy clampers out there, but I must say as a Land Owner with a carpark for Private residents, if people keep insisting on Parking where ever they feel they want to; then a suitable deterant needs to exist.
What sort of penalty is justified : £60, £150, £200?? From experience the clamping firms need to charge a fee that will act as a deterant but allow them to run their business. I am all for the Clamping firms to be regulated, but do not believe in OUTLAWING the clampers as there would be no deterant and people will just park wherever they feel like it. I needed to post this as all the other posts seem to be from people gripping about being charged for parking illegally in the first place..... perhaps these people will think twice now when they park on other peoples land without permission |
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flynn
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Subject: Re: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 29/01/2010 22:38:47
I'm not griping about parking in the wrong place. There was no question about anyone parking in the wrong place in my case but these criminal clampers (it's the best word for them) had no interest in legality. I live in a block of flats which has a barrier protected car park. The management company informed us by letter last year that they were inviting in an outside parking management company called PCM (Parking Control Management) who operate from offices in Slough. No resident asked for this to my knowledge and several of us were not happy with this development. I rang the management group to voice my misgivings. It's a small car park (some 30 spaces) and has a barrier control. There didn’t seem to be a problem with rogue parking. PCM put up their warnings anyway and all residents received a red parking permit to put in their windscreens. This we duly did. A week before the system was due to start, PCM posted a letter saying there had been an error and the red permits were now invalid, and should be replaced with blue ones which they had enclosed. I believe these letters arrived on or after the Tuesday before the Friday when the system was to go live. I don't know for sure because I was away from home most of that week. The Monday was a bank holiday and there was no postal delivery.
At 5.30a.m. on the day the parking Management system was to start, there was a sting operation and 7 cars were clamped even though they were all parked in their correct parking spaces and had permits in their windscreens. For one reason or another - away from home, hadn't opened mail yet etc - the victims had not replaced the red permit with the blue one (which had been delivered perhaps 60 hours before). Among the people who were held up for 2 hours that morning was a paramedic whose team had to work under strength thanks to these people. As we handed over the £130 release fee we were told about PCM’s appeal system and were assured they would give us a fair hearing and probably a refund. Unsurprisingly no appeal was successful and we are still trying to get our £130 back (£910 in total). It will probably go to court. |
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sak
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 14:32:47
My vehicle was clamped on Sunday afternoon at whilst stopped at a private estate at N. Bolton car park Garratt Lane Tooting, London. The circumstances surrounding the unjustified clamping of my car are as follows: I stopped my car besides Tooting Broadway roundabout at N. Bolton car park to withdraw some cash from the nearest cash machine. My wife was sitting in the passenger seat of the car with the car engine on and the keys inside the ignition. Immediately I walked out of the car park and reached the ATM, my wife rang me and told me that a man was bent over the front wheel and the other was knocking hard at the window. She was terrified so I rushed back and saw two Security men standing with my wife, together with the fixed penalty notice and the (Cash only) charge of £190 as removal fee where my car had stopped. I tried to explain to them that I had not parked my car and I had just stopped, whilst my wife was sitting inside the car with the keys in the ignition, but one man physically stopped me from getting into the vehicle, while the other made out the ready Penalty Notices. They refused to lsiten to me and both put notices on my car simutaneously and told me to pay £ 190 (Cash only) to get the clamp removed. I phoned the Vehicle Removal Department, five times on there no where the service person on other side disconnected my calls four times and finally insisted that I pay them £190 cash to get the clamp removed and then I could appeal against it. My concerns are: 1. I had not parked my car on Sunday afternoon, I had merely stopped to get some cash form the ATM, whilst my wife was sitting in the passenger seat with keys in the ingition. The two men did not give any word of warning despite ius both being there, and my car was clamped simultaneously to receiving a penalty notice. 2. When I reached my car, one man physically stopped me from getting into the vehicle while the second secured the clamp and fixed penalty notice and clamp warning notice on my car. If the clamp is not secured whilst the driver is by the car, the law says the clamp must be removed. The penalty was not issued prior to the fixing of the clamp. The law states that it must be issued prior to the fixing the clamp. 3. I tried to explain this to the vehicle removal department but unfortunately instead of listening me they told me to pay them cash only and then appeal against it and disconnected my calls four times. 5. The attitude of the clampers was abusive and based on discrimination towards me as I had only just observed different treatment to two men in the same car park. (you may find this on your CTV). One motorist with the same situation as me was given a verbal warning and was asked to move his car from the property; another car which was parked negotiated a £145 fee and given a code to display on their dashboard if they needed to park in future. I have passed this matter on to the police to investigate as a case of racial discrimination. 6. I was forced to pay cash only and threatend to move my car to the car pound immediately. Thats my appeal content which have written and didn't heared back from them don't know what to do now. Any help !!!!! |
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daveycriks
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Subject: Re: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 12/03/2010 09:35:56
Quote: What sort of penalty is justified : £60, £150, £200?? From experience the clamping firms need to charge a fee that will act as a deterant but allow them to run their business.
I think National Clamps wheel clampers have got the closest to the right penalty. I'm not saying it's perfect but it's better than a massive £200 or something... £80 doesn't sound too bad compared... |
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Not sure
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Subject: Re: Clamping on Private Land
Posted At: 20/03/2010 15:51:21
Our car was clamped this morning by a 'trigger happy' clamping firm in Reading. We parked in front of a premises which advertises it has a parking areas for customers on its website. My husband got out of car to go to next door shop, I took off my seat belt leaned over to get a sore throat lozenger from the glove compartment and saw this man standing in front of the car. I got out and asked him what was going on...next thing he tells me he is clamping the car because we are abusing a parking space for customers specific to the shop. This is all happening within seconds of my husband getting out of the car. Incidentally I was getting out of car to use the shop which owns the parking space!
I explained to him that I haven't had the chance to get out of my car to use the services of the shop and I am being accused of abusing the parking. I walking to shop to talk to shop assistant to ask why we are being penalized before i can start my shopping...shop assistant is not helpful and says she doesn't have anything to do with the wheel clamping. Wheel clamper tells me my husband should have gone into shop with parking bay first then gone to shop next door! So the passenger and driver cant go to different shops!!!!!.....my husband returned and picks up the discussion with wheel clamper and I go into shop to make my inquiry, have a discussion with shop assistant and leave with advise I had gone there to get!....we pay the charge to get the car out and I call local police for advise....surely this is not acceptable! ![]()
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