Wrong fuel

Have you ever put the wrong fuel in your car?

Original Post
Posted At
15/01/2009

AAChris
AAChris
If you've ever put petrol in a diesel car or vice versa you're in good company as the AA estimates that around 150,000 people do this every year. We've even introduced a dedicated service, Fuel Assist, to deal with the consequences.

But why does it happen?

Someone else's car?
Confusing pump labelling/design?
Mind on something else?

And what do you think can be done to prevent it?


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AAChris

Posts: 41
Subject: Wrong fuel
Posted At: 15/01/2009 14:41:05

If you've ever put petrol in a diesel car or vice versa you're in good company as the AA estimates that around 150,000 people do this every year. We've even introduced a dedicated service, Fuel Assist, to deal with the consequences.

But why does it happen?

Someone else's car?
Confusing pump labelling/design?
Mind on something else?

And what do you think can be done to prevent it?


AndrewPeter

Posts: 1
Posted At: 20/01/2009 16:56:29

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this being a new member. I recently, well about a couple of hours ago put a small amount of petrol (less than a litre) of petrol in my 2003 Audi A4 1.9TDI. Then, rightly or wrongly, I topped the car up with around 60 litres of diesel. My obvious questions are what damage is this likely to do and what should I do about it? I'm not at home and need to use the car to drive around 20 miles to get home later tonight.

I was wondering, given that petrol is lighter than diesel, and this may sound dumb, whether syphoning off a few litres would do any good.

AndrewPeter.
AAChris

Posts: 41
Posted At: 23/01/2009 15:09:45

Generally a small amount of incorrect fuel should not damage the engine as long as you have not started the car and top up fully with diesel fuel.

If you've added more than 10% (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) petrol – Drain the tank and refill with diesel

If you've added less than 10% petrol (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) – Top up with diesel and run normally unless the manufacturer has advised otherwise

More on theAA.com here

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/misfuelling.html


AA Patrol

Posts: 11
Posted At: 01/02/2009 23:30:05

Got to be careful with the modern dieel engines. The dont like petrol going through the pumps ect that means any amount of petrol. I wouldnt advise toping up and driving without speaking to a tech or dealer first.
Lance Christopher

Posts: 1
Posted At: 13/02/2009 08:22:39

Am getting contradictory advice on this. Have 07 BMW 320Dl. My wife refueled last night. There was about 1/4 tank of diesel in car. She then put 1.6 litres of petrol in the car before realising her mistake (tank holds around 60 litres I think) . The garage said top up with diesel and would be OK. She then drove the car home.

Should I really get the tank drained or is there now no point as the amount is so small and in case she has driven the car so any damage will have been done.
Batgirl81

Posts: 1
Posted At: 16/02/2009 14:25:00

Last week I filled my car up with (what I thought was) petrol from Tesco. Only to find out their tanker driver had mistakenly put diesel in the unleaded pump- so my unleaded car was full of diesel! Thank god for the AA's fuel assist service otherwise I would have had to find a garage to pump the fuel out. The poor AA man who came to my rescue had a very long day helping people suffering from Tesco's error- turns out 28 other people had also filled up from the same pump!!

Was not happy with Tesco, luckily they’ve agreed to pay all expenses (cost £180 to get it sorted!) So just shows its not just always drivers errors that cause this problem- the petrol stations make mistakes too!!
davesprinter

Posts: 3
Posted At: 30/03/2009 19:39:47

Take a look:

www.tullmaninnovations.com
emily

Posts: 2
Posted At: 06/04/2009 01:40:00

This happened to my friend today who mistakenly filled a diesel tank with unleaded (as she usually drives a petrol car and today was driving her husbands diesel) Luckily we didn't start the engine and rang for the AA. Three hours later, finally an AA mechanic arrived. The reason he had taken so long to arrive was that he was meant to be a specialist in draining the tank. (Which he wasn't). He towed us home (which I could have arranged 3 hours previously).

I think that the best way to solve this problem would to be to have different shaped nossils for diesel and petrol so that a petrol nossil wouldn't fit in a diesel car visa versa. Obviously this would take years to implement, but could be started off now. Petrol stations need to take more responsibility for this and have diesel pumps totally separate from unleaded pumps.

The petrol station attendant told me this happened all the time, obviously good business for the AA (when they eventually arrive).
emily

Posts: 2
Posted At: 06/04/2009 01:46:22

this can obviously happen as a mistake, especially if you have been driving for a long time, have other things on your mind, usually drive an unleaded car, then use yor husbands diesel etc etc.

would stop happening if petrol stations took more responsibilty and separated unleaded pumps from diesel pumps. Also if the nossils were different shapes so diesel didn't fit into an unleaded tank etc etc.

Until they were liable for damage then nothing will change. Also the AA are hopeless with this problem as they don't seem to have any mechanics that are skilled enough to drain a tank.
SRP_Sammy

Posts: 4
Posted At: 06/04/2009 14:18:40

As far has I know car manufacturers are now developing models which have a mechanism shutting the fuel cap immediatlly after recieving the wrong fuel.
I saw a similar device on Dragons Den but they slammed the idea as people would not be willing to pay for such a device as the manufactures will get wind- which they have.

As far as advice goes to prevent this simple common sense and awareness is the key and if it worries you i suggest you do what hire car companies do and label your fuel tank with a petrol or diesal sticker!
London Patrol

Posts: 6
Posted At: 10/05/2009 09:14:17

Quoting emily (06/04/2009 @ 01:46:22):
Also the AA are hopeless with this problem as they don't seem to have any mechanics that are skilled enough to drain a tank.


That would be because it is actually illegal for us to drain fuel at the roadside. Another breakdown company was fined £15,000 after their patrol was caught driaining fuel. The patrol was actually sacked from his job.

This is why we have specially eqipped Fuel Assist vehicles and technicians who go through weeks of training to be able to do the job. However if they are all busy because so many people have misfuelled their vehicles on a particular day then you will get a patrol who has no option that to recover you vehicle.

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/story/?nID=48024


mothrecording

Posts: 2
Posted At: 10/05/2009 11:21:44

Help! Yesterday I put 9.5 litres of unleaded into my 2003 Diesel Rover 75. (It's a BMW diesel engine).The tank was almost empty and no less than 3 separate people at the forecourt advised me to top up with diesel and continue topping up and it shoulld be OK. I topped the tank up to 65 litres, drove home, 60 miles and topped up a further 5 litres. Having now read horror stories about this on the net I'm wondering if I did the right thing and whether I will "get away with it" after all? Engine seems to be running OK and I intend to keep topping up. Would apprecieate any views on this please.
Peter
London Patrol

Posts: 6
Posted At: 11/05/2009 09:37:52

If the vehicle is common rail then the advice is no more than 2% which on your vehicle would be 1.3 litres.

You have driven a fair way now with no sign of a problem

The AA fuel assist guys go out to vehicles every day where people have actually driven with the wrong fuel and the vast majority of those are absolutely fine after draining and filling with the correct fuel.

Personally. and anything I write here is a personal view only, I would not be overly concerned.
mothrecording

Posts: 2
Posted At: 12/05/2009 23:07:56

Many thanks for this. Since my post I have now driven about 400 miles, regularly topping up with diesel. The original concentration would have been about 15% but must now very diluted and the engine seems to be running well, so I'll just continue topping up and hope there has been no long-term harm. If there is, I'll report it to the forum.
Thanks again. Peter
Gunnerman

Posts: 1
Posted At: 31/08/2009 19:03:45

Before setting off on holiday to Cornwall i incorrectly put 3.82litres of unleaded petrol in my 2003 Kia Diesel. The unleaded petrol pump was coloured black, the same as nearly every diesel pump i've ever seen. With all garages closed that day and an agitated family on board, draining the tank was not realistic, so i gambled by filling the tank from half-full to full with diesel. As my tank holds 55litres the amount of alien petrol i put in was around 7% of the capacity of the fuel tank. They reckon that if you have under 10% of petrol in your tank particularly on older engines you may get away with it. However, being a fairly modern engine with a common rail fuel delivery system i set off on the 170 mile journey fully expecting the engine to sieze up.
I drove the entire journey going no faster than 60mph so as not to call upon the fuel injection system too often. Every time the tank had emptied by a third, i refilled with more diesel to dilute further the corrupting petrol. I did this 3 times in all.
The car got us there with no noticeable problems or drop in performance, in fact by the time we got home we had racked up 600 miles. We felt comfortable enough to drive "normally" by the second day.
On arriving home, i popped over to Halfords and bought a 325ml bottle of Wynn's Diesel Injector Protector (£6.99) which i emptied into the half-full fuel tank. This will help to remove carbon deposits and lubricate the fuel pump. I also bought a 500ml bottle of Redex Cetane Booster additive (£9.99) which they recommend to empty into the tank before i next fill up. This will help keep the injectors clean.
Although, as i write this, 9 days on, i have seen no obvious side effects, i do wonder whether there may be longer term damage done to say the fuel lines, the tank or the pump and the injectors. I would welcome an AA expert to comment on my story and whether he thinks my mistake may be costly later.
alibi21

Posts: 1
Posted At: 03/09/2009 00:02:00

We just put 13ltrs of petrol into a nearly empty diesel tank (25 miles left in tank before filling) and didn't realise until it stalled just outside the petrol station. So it was 'pure' petrol going into the engine.

Travelled 200m - no further before engine cut out as we stopped at roundabout.

AA have taken vehicle to local garage to have it drained, so hoping that it will be ok and won't need any major parts replaced. Wish we'd realised before starting it like previous posters! Has anyone else done this and what effects if any did it have on their engines?

Our car is a VW touran.

B & S
grumpyoldman

Posts: 1
Posted At: 29/09/2009 17:52:44

I put £23 worth petrol in my 3/4 full diesel tank BMW320d on wednesday at Sainsbury's service station Cobham.I then in ignorance drove to Birmingham NEC and back...everything was OK until I reached M3 when car started to misfire and slow down...when I came to a stop in traffic it made horrible juddering noises with smoke coming from bonnet...i limped back home another 30 minutes...got it towed to my local garage..they got a specialist "wrong fuel" company to pump it out (£180)..then they discivered there is a hole in the injector system (new part £380) which will be fitted tomorrow and may not be the end of it. Just went back to Sainsburys...the pump I used was CITY DIESEL!!! ..so it must have had wrong fuel in it!!! so the question is can I claim from Sainsburys?..the receipt only says it was for £23 not the fuel type....any IDEAS??
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